I am still stuck in the Vol #1 phase of AF. Only because been having a hard time finding the later AF Vols. After getting past Byrne's run, I kinda skipped around reading issues. Some have through me for a loop i.e. Walter as a women, the worst villain being Hedlock. But I have enjoyed reading AF so far. But the funniest thing to me during this whole time of being romanced by Canada's heroes is when the scrambled eggs went crazy! I sent that out to other Native Americans and warned them that could happen with our commodity powder eggs. (Native Humor).
“God made only one of each of us. It's up to us to make the most of our individuality.” Kevin Max
I looked at the scene again with Sasquatch and Gary Cody in issue 51. I don't think Walter was flirting with Cody. I think Walter was just being a smart alec (and I don't mean Alec Thorne
Actually June Brigman drew issue #52. Jim Lee already needed a fill in artist after drawing one issue. The guy draws so good I always forgive his lateness.
You may want to read AF Annual #2 next since it takes place between issues #51 and #52. June also drew Annual #2. But the story features a lot of Heather so you may not want to read it then. But it does contain a cool fight with Box and a T-Rex. Dinosaurs sure get abused alot in comic books. Where is PETA when you need them?
Well I looked at it as I still have 3 Byrne characters on the team. Heather wearing the Vindicator suit. Madison Jeffries wearing the Box armor. And Sasquatch wearing Snowbird's body. And Jim Lee's art helped alot. I think Editor in Chief Jim Shooter had some rule that every issue is someone's first issue. Mantlo would have Jim Lee draw 4 years of Alpha Flight history in flashback scenes in almost every issue. There was no Wikipedia back then to read up on every character's origin and current status.Ugh. How did you all stick it through Not Alpha??
The original characters are the ONLY reason I am still reading this series.
And as of now, there aren't any originals on the team.
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Sounds like you've been getting the best of the best, though.
Lol! That is great!
I've just checked; I was thinking of v2 #6, which was a Hitch / Neary joint.
I associate Davis and Neary because Neary inked him on one of his series.
Seconded!
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That's nicely put, Phil; all of it (you're very verbose, my friend!). All of the various Alpha series(es?) have something good about them, most of them quite a few things. And some bad also, quite a few bad things actually. But, for each of us, those bad and good things will be different for each reader.
Volume 3, even though it was a 'joke' and handled flippantly, and a mess at times, was what drew me to Alpha, or at least back to Alpha. I had quit reading in the late 50's (issues, not my age or the year), and got rid of ALL my comics. When i heard that Alpha was coming back for a Volume 3, i didn't even know that Volume 1 had ended! While i waited for Volume 3 to come out, i hit eBay (ouch!) and collected all of Volume 1 and 2. Long story short, here i am, you can't get rid of me now! (Well, you could block my IP...but surely SOMEBODY would miss me!)
And, Phil, you are the glue that stirs the drink, sir!
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Oh! Ha, you are probably correct. I mean, I took it as a joke, just not for the same reasons.
I haven't even read Annual #1 yet because I forgot about it. Oops! I can read both of those here soon, then, before I read #52.
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Because I don't count those three as original Alpha members (I didn't think of Madison Jeffries) because Heather is different and wasn't really a member until Mantlo's run (and even if so, I still don't her count because she is awful), and Sasquatch I don't count, I guess, because he isn't in his original orange suit or human form.
So you can warn her about what follows after issue #28...
Like I said, I originally liked Volume 2. But the art, when I tried to re-read it, was... bad. And Murmur and Manbot? Finally an Alpha Flight character created that I hate more than Manikin...
I don't think someone should try to recreate it - but others should follow the established character personalities. This is what I think did not happen.
And how can you possibly like Earthmover. Please sell me on how he's a good character. (Seriously! I'd like to hear it!) But I can't say too much, I actually liked Wyre, and I know a lot of people disliked him.
So help me if that song gets stuck in my head...
I meant for Crackity.
By far. The worse. You are correct. But I am surprised you were able to guess. I am usually so subtle about my hatred of the character...
Worse villain being Headlok? You must have skipped the Llan the Sorcerer story, my friend. LOL
The Rouleau stuff was quite stylistic and I can see why people didn't like it.
I personally wouldn't use the term bad though.
Yeah, Murmur was pretty redundant but was an important part of the Legacy sub plot they were building and never got to.And Murmur and Manbot? Finally an Alpha Flight character created that I hate more than Manikin...
Manbot didn't have a chance to show any point or potential, again for the same reason.
These are fictional characters though; you can only follow established personalities for so long without repeating them. Hence re-creation.I don't think someone should try to recreate it - but others should follow the established character personalities. This is what I think did not happen.
Earthmover is essentially Shaman & Talisman; a normal every day citizen pulled into a legacy of shaman magic.And how can you possibly like Earthmover. Please sell me on how he's a good character. (Seriously! I'd like to hear it!)
To write one off is to write the other two off.
The problem with him is essentially the same as Murmur; he was a redundant character because Shaman & Talisman existed and fulfilled the role, and that he literally got 2 issues of guest appearances before being reduced to silent cameos.
He's my fourth favourite Alphan after Sasquatch, Puck and Wild Child.But I can't say too much, I actually liked Wyre, and I know a lot of people disliked him.
I saw no problem in Llan as a character whatsoever.Worse villain being Headlok? You must have skipped the Llan the Sorcerer story, my friend. LOL
Just the resolution of the arc.
I definitely agree to an extent but there's a very blurred line between adding and changing, and a distinct one between changing and contrasting.
My personality has changed from 5 years ago; I've grown/evolved/natured/nurtured/endured.
Change is fine as long as there's a justifiable, logical reason.
What I meant by "add to characters' personalities" is that, obviously characters are going to go through written experiences which will add to what they are and (blurred line of "add" and "change" here) that may somewhat change how they are, but to make them completely different than how they started and were initially established? No.
Heather was a strong woman BEFORE entering Mantlo's run. He didn't have to put her into a suit and make her Mega B!tch leader to establish that she was a strong leader. Because that didn't make her strong. It just made her a b!tch, imo.
She is completely different than when Byrne wrote her. Yes, her situation changed, he could have added that to her life experiences, but not make her a completely different character like he did.
Also: I've changed as well over the past 5 years. But I'm not a fictional character. People aren't reading my life with the expectations of knowing who I am.
Then in that case Mantlo didn't change the characters personalities, he completely contradicted what was already established, with no good reason.
Which is poor writing.
Which I totally agree with you on.
Does that then raise the question that we have expectations of these characters?People aren't reading my life with the expectations of knowing who I am.
We don't own them, we didn't create them, we have no claim to them...
(Being devil's advocate here, I'm 90% with you on Mantlo's issues)
Well, at least we agree that it just sucked. And he ruined my Heather.
Yes, we expect a certain amount of fundamental consistencies in our fictional characters, I think. At least I do.
It's what makes them relatable.
Whether or not I have a right to expect that, it's what I do.