To play the devil's advocate...
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Originally Posted by rplass
What changed in 25 years to make this true now but demonstrably false then? ***EDIT***Alpha Flight is awesome and it rocks hard dude, a good writer/artist can do great things with the team and it should have its own ongoing title. It was true 25 years ago and is just as true today.
Hmmm...can't say that I agree. Consider what the lucky writer gets to contend with:
"I'm going to use Talisman in the book." Talisman? You mean Shaman? "No, Talisman - Shaman is dead. Talisman is his daughter that has Shaman's pouch - and is essentially the tribe's new Shaman." Oh.
"I think Aurora would be fun too". Well, apparently Aurora isn't the most 'fun'. "Yes, Jeanne-Marie would be fun to play around with too." I wasn't talking about her either. "Oh."
"And of course what is the team without Puck?" Definitely - we need someone with agility, plus Puck was kind of hot. "No - not that Puck! The original!" The old man? "Well, not anymore..." But what I mean is the super-densed- skin one right? "Well, not anymore..." Oh.
"And I figure how can you have a team without Guardian?" But he's dead. "No, Byrne brought him back remember?" But no, he's dead... "Yeah, yeah, he died fighting Galactus too but they brought him back" No. I'm telling you - he's dead! "Oh please, don't get me started on that nonsense that Chuck Austen wrote in Uncanny. Guardian survived that!" Um, but no, he's dead again. "Oh."
And so on and so on. These characters were a breath of fresh air in the 80's, but they are so damaged now that I don't hold out much hope for them, much as I love them.
Re: To play the devil's advocate...
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Originally Posted by Ahab
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Originally Posted by rplass
What changed in 25 years to make this true now but demonstrably false then? ***EDIT***Alpha Flight is awesome and it rocks hard dude, a good writer/artist can do great things with the team and it should have its own ongoing title. It was true 25 years ago and is just as true today.
Hmmm...can't say that I agree. Consider what the lucky writer gets to contend with:
"I'm going to use Talisman in the book." Talisman? You mean Shaman? "No, Talisman - Shaman is dead. Talisman is his daughter that has Shaman's pouch - and is essentially the tribe's new Shaman." Oh.
"I think Aurora would be fun too". Well, apparently Aurora isn't the most 'fun'. "Yes, Jeanne-Marie would be fun to play around with too." I wasn't talking about her either. "Oh."
"And of course what is the team without Puck?" Definitely - we need someone with agility, plus Puck was kind of hot. "No - not that Puck! The original!" The old man? "Well, not anymore..." But what I mean is the super-densed- skin one right? "Well, not anymore..." Oh.
"And I figure how can you have a team without Guardian?" But he's dead. "No, Byrne brought him back remember?" But no, he's dead... "Yeah, yeah, he died fighting Galactus too but they brought him back" No. I'm telling you - he's dead! "Oh please, don't get me started on that nonsense that Chuck Austen wrote in Uncanny. Guardian survived that!" Um, but no, he's dead again. "Oh."
And so on and so on. These characters were a breath of fresh air in the 80's, but they are so damaged now that I don't hold out much hope for them, much as I love them.
That can be pretty much said about any character out there. Look at the FF, Avengers, X-men, etc. How many more bad stories have been told with those teams that just gets ignored or retconned later on?
I think this is the perfect opportunity to bring the original AF back. Not only can this be a fresh point for people to jump on the book, but the characters are, for the most part, unknown to many new readers. Aurora was "cured" of her MPD last I checked; the only time Shaman was the Talisman was, what, about nineteen years ago, who will remember that besides those of us who were there for it?
Most of the bad ideas can be swept quietly under the rug, ideas like: the evil government conspiracy that went on and on and on; Puck being infested with Raazar; Sasquatch being an accidental transsexual; Snowbird's baby being possessed and her mortal family (and her) subsequently being killed, etc. Why not use this chance to cherry pick the best stories and build onto them? Not to mention it would be cool to see how each of the resurrected Alphans deals with having died and returned.
Reintroduce the characters, streamline their past, clean up loose plot threads and make them bigger players in the Marvel U. IMO that will give AF a fighting chance as an ongoing.